Saturday, May 27, 2006

The Mall Kiosk Business Part 2 of 2

For those of you who missed part one, here's a link to it here

So now all three of our stores are up and running and we’re doing great at my store…the other two stores are slowly coming along but not doing quite as well as my (the original kiosk).
October is quickly becomes a “hope to break even month” because of the fact that we’re still getting out products from domestic wholesalers rather than from overseas. This cuts our profit for now but isn’t a huge deal because by November 15th our shipment from China will be here and we can start making real money.
Then we get hit with Bomb #1
Around the end of October, Costco decides to play the role of evil corporate bully and begins to offer their equivalent of our hottest selling product for $69.99. That is a HUGE hit considering we’re selling them for $139.99 and can’t keep them in stock. What makes that worse is that our price on that product is $50 per unit from our domestic wholesaler. Me and the managers of the three other kiosks a little war room strategy session and decide to match any price that a customer brings up to us. This stops the bleeding a little bit but we are already seeing a small decrease in demand. I can’t tell if that’s because of the product being sold by a mass retailer or because if people are just waiting for Christmas. Oh well, I say, Once my China products get in I can match that price and still be getting 350% margin on that product. It may not make me rich this year but it’s still very profitable.
Here’s Bomb # 2
Ok, remember the helpful Chinese guy (I literally never knew his name) from part 1 ? Well, we hit a little snag at the end of October. Apparently, the demand for these poker chips is so high that the factory is a little backed up and I might not get my order until November 21st instead of November 15th as we had agreed upon originally. This makes me very uncomfortable but what could I do?? I already given the guy a 5k deposit on a 25k order and plus it was way too late in the game to try to find another supplier overseas so I have no choice but to wait it out. [another little side note about the kiosk business, when you get into it, leasing people will try to sell you on how great November/December are and how that’s where you make all your money for the year. What that’s really code for is; ‘We know you’re gonna do well in December so we’re gonna screw you on rent for November.’ November looks just like October and September right up until black Thursday (the day after thanksgiving) but that still isn’t enough to justify the rent almost TRIPPLING for those two months.]
And just as it appears the smoke has cleared and we’ve assessed our casualties, here comes Bomb 2.5:
The friendly, helpful, Chinese man (who by the way, is becoming much less friendly and very less helpful by the day) calls me on November 1st and happily tells me that my order is done and that they are ready to ship. All he needs is the remaining 20k for the order. Great I say. All I need to see is the samples that we stipulated in our contract we signed so I can be assured that the quality is up to par with what I’m currently selling. He assures me that it is and asks me to trust him. I tell him that I can’t trust him on a HUGE investment and that I need to see some samples or there’s no deal. He gets very angry and takes this as an insult even though our contract (apparently, based on my situation and others I’ve read about since, Asian business deals are thought of more along the lines of a handshake deal…they aren’t legalistic like western culture’s are) clearly states that a sample must be provided by the factory for quality assurance in order for the balance to be paid by myself. Whatever, the last worry on my mind right now is hurting his feelings. Sure enough, three days later my worst fears are realized; I get three sets of poker chips in via priority mail and the quality is completely ridiculous!! The stripes on the side of the chips don’t even line up properly. And I don’t mean there off just a few millimeters or something, they are literally on opposite sides of each other!!
I tell him of my displeasure with the samples. This doesn’t go over with the Chinese Man too well. To top it off the he is now telling me that because I requested samples instead of allowing the factory to ship on Nov 1st when the product was completed, I’m now looking at a Dec 12th delivery date. I’m at a loss for words. My whole little entrepreneurial world was crumbling before my eyes. My dreams of walking into work wearing casual Friday clothing on a Monday and mooning my entire department were quickly fleeting. I have not choice to but to tell him it’s a no deal. He threatens to keep the five thousand dollars I put down as a deposit on my order. I again cite the contract and three months (and several conversations with my credit card company’s legal department) later I get the money refunded back on my credit card. Whoop-ee.
So now everything has done a complete 180 and I’m getting very depressed about my little venture. Not being one to wallow in my misery, I quickly have to develop a backup plan. It’s now mid November. I definitely cannot afford to be paying $50 a unit to my domestic wholesaler for the remainder of the year especially with Costco and Sam’s selling the SAME thing for $70 a pop (by the way, to this day, I have never entered one of those places again….I’m convinced they are destroying small business in this country). It’s too late to make a big order to china and have it arrive in time for the holiday rush. So my only option is to find a domestic wholesaler who’s cheaper. I eventually find a guy out in California who can sell to me at $34 a pop which is not bad. It allows us to get at least 200% margin when we match the Costco price.
So the net-net is this; I lost money on the two kiosks that I opened with my buddies (as a 50/50 partner in each) and I barely broke even in my kiosk which is almost miraculous when you look at what I went through to do that. But here’s the good part…the part where I tell you what I learned from this so that if you ever open a business similar to mine you won’t make the same mistakes I did.
· In retail, ALWAYS have a backup supplier for whatever it is you’re selling. Not sometimes. Not most of the times. ALWAYS. If you can’t find a backup supplier, don’t do it. If you do, don’t expect to have ANY stability because your business can easily be crippled with one little snag.
· The smaller the product, the better. One of the biggest obstacles I had was keeping my cart stocked with these huge poker chip cases. The most our cart would hold is about 40 but we could go through 60 in a day which created many logistical problems for us. The bigger side of this is that if you’re getting your product from china, the shipping is significantly reduced and cheapened if 300 units can be sent priority mail.
· If Wal-Mart, Sam's, or Costco can/will/do sell it, it's probably not profitable. There are of course exceptions to this rule but not many, at least when it comes to brick and mortar retail environments.
· If you're gonna import stuff from china, go over EVERY scenario ahead of time. Trust me; you'll thank me if you do this. If you have to, hire someone who is bilingual (that you trust) to look out for your interests. Doing business with China is very profitable but you can lose your ass very fast.
Lastly, I want your feedback. You have no idea how many countless hours of sleep I’ve lost wondering what I could have done differently, what strategic move that was obvious did I ignore?? Please, no ‘know-it-all’ comments. You guys don’t help anything succeed or grow other than your own egos. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but with that in mind, what did I miss?? Any good natured feedback would be greatly appreciated.
bg

16 Comments:

At 2:31 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

very interesting man.

i too would like to steal a few minutes of your time as we are looking to take our store concept and make a lite version for the kiosk market.

any time would be appreciated.

tom@ifutureprint.com

 
At 9:54 PM, Blogger Eric said...

Wow, I was searching about poker supply kiosks and came upon this blog. I do have a few questions... firstly, were you selling the standard "Dice" and "Suited" chips? Did you sell anything else, higher-end? Tables? Slot Machines?

Thanks for your reply,
ericmalone at gmail dottt com

 
At 5:01 AM, Blogger Dan Goldstein said...

I have two thoughts about your experience. The first concerns your eagerness to match Costco's price. Costco requires membership for purchases, has huge stores and is generally expected to have cheaper prices and lower quality. Perhaps matching their price was a bit aggressive, and a $89.99 or $99.99 price point would have had a better profit margin without lowering sales too much.

The second thought I had is about your supply strategy. You seemed thrilled to have your neighbor as an agent but it turns out you should have been skeptical. It would have been tough to know this without knowing this, but business in China is based on close personal relationships (guanxi) rather than mutually beneficial agreements enforced by contracts and assumptions of continued business. He probably wasn't interested in making a good product for you. He may not have even known that you wanted quality, since the standard strategy used in China is to lower production costs and compete on price.

What are you up to nowadays?

 
At 1:26 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Your optimism and positive deteremination was awesome; thats what helped you get through, so keep that up.

 
At 2:29 PM, Blogger Skim said...

Hi -
I just came across your blog. I'm not sure if you even check it anymore, I noticed most of this was posted in 2006.

I live in Las Vegas and found your idea innovative. Have you ever considered opening a kiosk in Las Vegas? I say this because most of our retail sales in malls come from tourists. This creates increased demand for your product, over a million people visit Las Vegas a year. You do not get the same people walking through the mall every weekend.

And because of the gaming aspect of your product. Most of the people walking past your kiosk are interested in gambling - they are visiting Las Vegas!!!

 
At 8:22 PM, Blogger optigrl70 said...

This was a very helpful story and I'm very interested as to what your next steps are going to be down the road.
Are you willing to take another chance with another Kiosk or are you planning on waiting?
Friends of mine are checking around and because we are so spread out across the country we are considering opening up ours in different locations across the US.
Need help and recommendations on where to get quality kiosks for a reasonable price. Any suggestions?

 
At 4:29 PM, Blogger agentapproved said...

I am not an expert but I would say the biggest thing you did wrong was lower your price. It sounds like you were doing well until you did that. Your customers were probably impulse buyers or bought based on your sales skills rather than shopping around for the lowest price. You were unnecessarily competing with a volume seller. You also may consider selling a product that the user uses on a daily or weekly basis that is easy for the user to break that way they will always come back for another one. With poker chips once you have a really nice set you will most likely never have to replace it and most people will actually never use it much and it will be a been there done that product.

 
At 11:38 AM, Blogger Editor said...

I was actually looking at opprning up a kiosk this next Christmas/holiday season... I found this very informitive.
anyways I definately have a few suggestions to share with you from various things I've learned through research... you're definately going to want to hear about it but I dont want this information available for anyone (someone who lives in my area)... so if you want to here just a couple simple things you could do, you'll want to email me...
it sounds like you have the right vision and everything and I think this information will really help you...
my email is keyboring200 (at) yahoo.com.
looking foward to hearing from you.
-mike

 
At 12:18 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Great story. I have a jewelry brand called Ally B Jewelry (www.allyb.com) that I have custom manufactured in Thailand. I am actually considering the cart for my first retail venue. For me the risk is not in the product or production, as I have had those things established for some time and have all my inventory in house, but in the cart itself being a good venue for sales of my product.

If you ever decide to do somthing similiar again, check out a site called Alibaba.com. Once you weed through the distributors, you will get to a factory representative that speaks english. It's a long process, and you'll know mostly by the price, but once that relationship is established it's much more stable. From my perspective, I would never use a distributor for a foreign product. Also get on Skype. That is how many factories communicate to their foreign buyers and it's free. Finally, check references and run an Asain credit check on your vendor, then insist on samples up front. A reputable vendor will oblige on an order that large, especially of a non-custom product. Good luck with any future ventures!

Aleshia Bonilla

 
At 3:45 PM, Blogger Tracee said...

While I do not have any suggestions for you regarding your experience, I do commend you greatly for sharing your story with us. You seem very intelligent and determined and I am certain that you will be very successful in building your businesses and wealth. I too am considering a Kiosk in the mall for my authentic designer handbag business and to help put Starwberries Boutique out there. Your story is invaluable to me, as I am not sure what I am doing and is scared to death!! Thank you again for sharing your story and good luck to you!

 
At 6:55 AM, Blogger ogiste said...

So where is Part 3? In business the stories continue...

You seem to be a level headed and self motivated individual. I think one of your mistakes to was to lower to Costco's price, but the world is still spinning and so should your business.

Don't tell us you've given up after getting that far. Update us please.

 
At 9:57 PM, Blogger Naa Dedei said...

I am looking to start a kiosk business and this blog is quite helpful

 
At 10:38 AM, Blogger Brooke said...

Great blog. How are things going now? We have had the same issue with Chinese manufacturers. Quality can be great for one batch and horrible the next. Plus we have the language barrier. We have been online and are now looking into kiosks. How did you create your systems/ Closing out each night and such? Hope you are a raging success after all the tuition you paid :)

 
At 9:18 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks for sharing. Much appreciated. Best of luck on your future ventures.

 
At 2:54 PM, Blogger Click It Jewelry said...

I'm looking into the kiosk business. As for something you missed, I don't think you personally did anything wrong, actually I think you did a great job. The lesson I learned from you is not to trust someone with supplies if time is a factor.

 
At 11:49 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

How do I find my product? Are there no American vendors or is everything from China?

 

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